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The MMT Podcast with Patricia Pino & Christian Reilly

May 6, 2023

As the UK celebrates the coronation of its most famous pensioner and its central bank tells everybody else to accept being poor, Patricia and Christian continue their conversation about Stephanie Kelton’s best-seller, The Deficit Myth and ask: can the world’s 5th richest economy afford dignity for all, or just those with their own anthem?

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LIVE EVENT! Christian will be interviewing Cory Doctorow in Nottingham (UK!) on Tuesday 30th May 2023, tickets here:


For an intro to MMT:

Our first three episodes:

Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money:


Our “Unpacking The Deficit Myth” series:

All our episodes in chronological order:



Relevant to this episode:

For more on ensuring the sustainability of Social Security/state pensions with this one not-so-weird trick that unmitigatedly works for all other types of government spending, listen to Episode 164 - Yeva Nersisyan: Saving Social Security From Its Saviours:

We briefly touch on how the central bank reserve system impacts commercial banks and vice-versa, for more on that listen to Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money:

For more on the effective dependency ratio, see “Ageing, Social Security, and the Intergenerational Debate” by Bill Mitchell:

Our Job Guarantee episodes: 

Episode 4 - Fadhel Kaboub: What is the Job Guarantee?:

Episode 47 - Pavlina Tcherneva: Building Resilience - The Case For A Job Guarantee:

Episode 148 - Pavlina Tcherneva: Why The Job Guarantee Is Core To Modern Monetary Theory:

Quick read: Pavlina Tcherneva’s Job Guarantee FAQ page:



Quick MMT reads:

Warren’s Mosler’s MMT white paper:

Steven Hail’s quick MMT explainer:

Quick explanation of government debt and deficit: “Some Numbers Are Big. Let Me Help You Get Over It”:



For a short, non-technical, free ebook explaining MMT, download Warren Mosler’s “7 Deadly Innocent Frauds Of Economic Policy” here:

Order “The Deficit Myth” by Stephanie Kelton:

Order the Gower Initiative’s “Modern Monetary Theory - Key Insights, Leading Thinkers” (2023):

Order L Randall Wray’s latest book, “Making Money Work for Us” (2022):



Episodes on monetary operations: 

Episode 20 - Warren Mosler: The MMT Money Story (part 1):

Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money:

Episode 13 - Steven Hail: Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Banking, But Were Afraid To Ask:

Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money:



Episodes on inflation:

Episode 7: Steven Hail: Inflation, Price Shocks and Other Misunderstandings:

Episode 65 - Phil Armstrong: Understanding Inflation:

Episode 104 - John T Harvey: Inflation, Stagflation & Healing The Nation:

Episode 123 - Warren Mosler: Understanding The Price Level And Inflation:

Episode 128 - L. Randall Wray & Yeva Nersisyan: What’s Causing Accelerating Inflation? Pandemic Or Policy Response?:


More on government bonds (and “vigilantes”):

Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1):

Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 2):

Episode 143 - Paul Sheard: What Is Quantitative Easing?:

Episode 147 - Dirk Ehnts: Do Markets Control Our Politics?:

Episode 144 - Warren Mosler: The Natural Rate Of Interest Is Zero:

Episode 145 - John T Harvey: What Determines Currency Prices?:


More on Silicon Valley Bank and bank runs:

Episode 162 - Warren Mosler: Anatomy Of A Bank Run:

Episode 163 - L. Randall Wray: Breaking Banks - The Fed’s Magical Monetarist Thinking Strikes Again:

Episode 165 - Robert Hockett: Sparking An Industrial Renewal By Building Banks Better:

MMT founder Warren Mosler’s Proposals for the Treasury, the Federal Reserve, the FDIC, and the Banking System:



MMT Events And Courses In 2023

More information about Professor Bill Mitchell’s MMTed project (free public online courses in MMT) here:

Apply for Dr Dirk Ehnts’ Modern Monetary Theory and European Macroeconomics course at Maastricht University (July 31st - August 4th) here:

Details of Modern Money Lab’s online graduate and postgraduate courses in MMT are here:

Details of the next MMT Summer school in Poznań, Poland (September 5th-7th) will be available on this page when confirmed:

Website of the 3rd International European MMT Conference (September 9th-10th:


MMT Academic Resources compiled by The Gower Initiative for Modern Money Studies:


MMT scholarship compiled by New Economic Perspectives:



A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide:


We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel:


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